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There is a new social network on the block. Tsu promises to split its advertising dollars it makes off of sharing your content with, well you.But is Tsu a Scam?
Tsu plays into the human desire to ‘get rich quick’. No effort required on your part beyond inviting your friends and family.Then just keep posting stuff like you already do! This kind of model has been on the internet forever. Once upon a time, long since gone companies, paid you just to surf websites, use toolbars, fill out surveys, read email, heck even use a search engine. The result is always the same and it will be here.. Company folds after they get the money to pay their investors/they get enough money… from “your friends and family”.
I’ve seen complicated formulas and math talking about the possibilities of your massive profits on Tsu. Whatever numbers and magic hoopla you’d like to put, In my opinion Tsu is a scam. Spend your time on your OWN website creating your OWN content and spam your network with that..
You’ll be better off.
Why should you listen to me? I own a social network. Yup. Girlfriend Social is the largest women only friendship social network in the world. I use advertising on the site but also offer members the option to pay for upgrades so they don’t have to see or be a part of advertising. I know exactly how much money it costs to keep servers going, continue to pay for advertising, keep security going and a million other things that running a major website does.I also own several blogs and other websites that use affiliate marketing and advertising models. I’ve been doing this part of the internet for many many years.
If you seriously want to make money on the internet in some way, you can. Make a blog or website. Publish ads or charge a membership. Profit… This will take awhile and a fair amount of effort but you can “make money”. Probably even enough to go out to dinner a few times a month.
1) The Advertising Model….
I can’t quite get a legit answer from the website about their advertising model. One site says that it shares the total revenue the website makes each day with every user. One site implies you will get part of your advertising that your content/ users you invite content specifically makes. Whatever the faulty model is, the second the social media gurus and black hat scammy people get to the network 2 things will happen.
1) The site will be made into a spammy spam game. “Share the post and get all your friends to share it so we all make .00001 cents!” will be the norm. Users are currently reporting massive reshares, like and follow schemes and SHARE ALL THESE POSTS in buckets already.
2) If there are 100 members and they split 100$ of total revenue for the day, everyone gets 1$. When there are 100 million members there likely wont be 100 million dollars in revenue. You will be getting less than $1. Each user, each person invites will “weaken” the worth of the network causing eventually people to make fractions of a penny. FRACTIONS OF A PENNY on actions. Do you stop for a penny on the ground? 5 cents? Do you see this going any other way?
2) Is TSU a Ponzi Scheme/ Pyramid Scam / MLM Marketing Fraud?
I’ve seen people call Tsu a Ponzi scheme, Tsu a Pyramid scam, and Tsu a MLM marketing Fraud…
Ponzi schemes typically make new investors pay money. They pay that new money to “old investors”. So since Tsu is not asking for money, is not a Ponzi scheme. Although Ponzi has typically become a commonly used word for a scam of some type. Pyramid or MLM Scam is better towards what Tsu is than Ponzi scheme as shown with the FTC warning about such things… http://business.ftc.gov/…/inv08-bottom-line-about-multi-lev…
” If the money you make is based on your sales to the public, it may be a legitimate multilevel marketing plan. If the money you make is based on the number of people you recruit and your sales to them, it’s not. It’s a pyramid scheme. Pyramid schemes are illegal, and the vast majority of participants lose money.”
Your “sales” here are advertising dollars on your content and how much money you get paid seems to be directly related to how many people you help recruit in. To me that falls into the FTC guidline listed above, but since there isn’t a clear document about their payment plan its hard to say 100% for sure. Either way, play it safe and don’t play into it.
3) The Payout … When You Get Your Hard Earned Money….
According to the monetization terms on their website…. “As such, you will receive periodic deposits in your Tsū bank account, which are directly related to your usage of the Service.” The money goes into the Tsu bank, not yours.
You’d be lucky to make 5$ from their non published model. It will require a $100 pay(according to their FAQ) something you or the majority of people will never actually earn because you are making fractions of a cent each day. Or say 1 cent a day… ( a number I’ve seen a few people saying they have earned) It will take 10,000 days Or roughly 28 Years to earn $100. And that is if the payout doesnt really go down (which is should based on the other things I mentioned). This is a common tactic to hold funds till you reach a thresehold.. This will leave a nice pool of “ad dollars” sitting around for the company to pay off VC with because people can’t get to the magically upper end for payout. You MIGHT be able to make it by of course spamming the entire internet and everyone you know for the next 6 months. Work hard for that 50$ payout folks.
4)They will Run a Social Network on 10% of Revenue…
… Really… icon smile Is Tsu a Scam? 6 Things to Consider Servers, Bandwidth, Security, Staff members, Support teams….. on 1websites Is Tsu a Scam? 6 Things to Consider0% of revenue. This means if somehow it IS possible all of these will be lacking. No support, Hackers paradise since there is no security teams on it, and slow slow servers. As one person (Greg Crichton) on my google plus post about it pointed out, It doesn’t even have https/SSL Website security installed. That’s like doing banking on a non secure network!
Some of you seem to think your content can do better on its own. Launch a blog and do it. You’ll quickly see how expensive it is to “run a website” and “host/publish photos” and most importantly… “get advertising traffic”. icon smile Is Tsu a Scam? 6 Things to Consider What Tsu is telling you it can do on 10% of ads? Plus it owe a fair amount of money to the venture capital money it already took? Good luck on that model folks.
5) We Need to Take Back Our Content….
I’m also not exactly sure about these “I make content so i need to stop these companies from profiting from the content” type comments. I own 100% of my own websites and I do in fact make a living from that. If you want to use someone elses websites, you are uh… using them and can pay upfront to use them or you can pay by have ads served to you. This is the internet. You exchange your ‘content and information’ for ads.
I COULD place videos completely on my own blog instead of on YouTube, but how many people would see it? How much will it cost to have those videos streamed on my server time after time? You are also paying for the promotion your video receives as being a part of the 2nd largest search engine in the world.
6) But what does it hurt? How can you judge a Network that isn’t very old yet?
I think people don’t value their network as much as they should. Your social network is a precious thing you have worked hard to build through real life or online friendships. You develop trust and experience as an expert about things. Every single person has from the Social media gurus to the person who just updates their facebook page with photos of their kids. Their social network views them in some way. Social expert or Mom with kid photos. Do you want that opinion to include the person who invited them to an affiliate scheme that will likely mislead and rip people off.
There is currently NO delete button to remove your TSU account permanently. BIG RED FLAG. If i “own my content” and a bunch of other hoopla on the typo filled FAQ, why can’t i takeout my content at any time? This is common tactic with new websites because “user count” is more important than anything. They make it difficult/impossible for you to remove your account so they can report to their investors that “Numbers are Up!”. Its been mentioned you can email support and they will eventually remove it, this has not been proven, timeline, etc as of yet. There is no automated way to do it but they are “working on this basic core feature of any website”. If they really believed all the fluff they say in their FAQ about what’s yours is yours, the lack of delete is a big flag saying that wont hold true.
microsofttest Is Tsu a Scam? 6 Things to ConsiderBut lets forget all that for a minute…
People will do what they will, but spamming your precious network with invites to an unproven, heavily weighted against it Monetization Model is certainly not on MY to do list.
If nothing else wait a few months till a bunch of people get the “magical Bill Gates sending you 100$ for each person you forward it to” paychecks… If this magic network works against all the logical odds.. you have lots of friends and family members to pull into it for eternity. No rush required. Or are you people that desperate for money that you will play into this pipe dream with ZERO proof of it working?
HOW TO DELETE YOUR TSU ACCOUNT…
If you have already signed up… According to the terms of service You can fill out some kind of form to get your account removed/deleted at some point… But unfortunately your stuff will still be available for others who shared it – icon smile Is Tsu a Scam? 6 Things to Consider
“You can deactivate your Tsū account by logging into the Service and completing the form available here. If we terminate your access to the Service or you use the form detailed above to deactivate your account, your photos, comments, likes, friendships, followers, digital or real assets held by Evacuation Complete and all other data will no longer be accessible through your account (e.g., users will not be able to navigate to your username and view your photos), but those materials and data may persist and appear within the Service (e.g. if your Content has been reshared by others).”
If you signed up already I recommend removing as much as possible, attempting to find their delete form and stop sharing or putting anything you value into it… for the possibility of pennies.
UPDATE: BUT IT’S JUST FOR FUN…. I’ve had a few people mention they are “just using the network because its clean and fun and new”. If this is true, I believe you have the option to turn monetization off (thats been mentioned but I actually can not find any information about this in the FAQ, Terms Etc in any way. Can you find where to turn it off someone?) Till someone shows me how this is done, its required to be on the site. But the reality is fine folks, if you are spamming/begging invites to everyone you know… You do not fall into the “its fun” camp. You are kidding yourself and you are hoping to cash out on this….”Even if its a few bucks, thats more than facebook ever gave me!” type of idea…..There are many other social networks out there, that do not play around with these things, for you to “have fun on”. It’s nothing to me, but I hate seeing people get ripped off or mislead by unethical companies. I mostly made this post to link to people that asked me about it and “why are you not there”. Do what you will, but realize currently “taking a chance to check it out” can have repercussions that I’ve listed above because you can not delete your account at this time.
What about Legal Issues?
A final little update here. Google and YouTube have spent a ton of money to detect when you are using someone elses copywritten material. You are not allowed to monetize your YouTube Videos that include it. Violators are banned. This technology is funded by part of that “revenue” that these companies are making that Tsu is only going to be getting 10% of. They will have no such technology. More legal stuff brought up by another Google plus folk, Debashish Samaddar, who mentions the possible legal issues that are sure to happen.
“Tsu claims that if, and when, the original content creator issues a DMCA take down notice then Tsu will take the content down. But that takes time and within that time Tsu will have already made money. And distributed it.
1. Are they going to take the money back from whoever it was paid to?
2. Sometimes the content creator may not even know that their content is used, so a DMCA notice may never be issued and Tsu will continue to make money and distribute it. Potently unethical and illegal position.
3. For content that is distributed under CC-NC (Creative Commons, Non Commercial) sharing the content is not necessarily a commercial act so it preserves the CC license terms, but it circumvents the license by indirectly making money using that content. Grey area, but potentially illegal.”
Very Very valid points. And what about these lawsuits downstreams? LIke your friend you invited reshared illegal content… are they going to take back your penny too?
There is a new social network on the block. Tsu promises to split its advertising dollars it makes off of sharing your content with, well you.But is Tsu a Scam?
Tsu plays into the human desire to ‘get rich quick’. No effort required on your part beyond inviting your friends and family.Then just keep posting stuff like you already do! This kind of model has been on the internet forever. Once upon a time, long since gone companies, paid you just to surf websites, use toolbars, fill out surveys, read email, heck even use a search engine. The result is always the same and it will be here.. Company folds after they get the money to pay their investors/they get enough money… from “your friends and family”.
I’ve seen complicated formulas and math talking about the possibilities of your massive profits on Tsu. Whatever numbers and magic hoopla you’d like to put, In my opinion Tsu is a scam. Spend your time on your OWN website creating your OWN content and spam your network with that..
You’ll be better off.
Why should you listen to me? I own a social network. Yup. Girlfriend Social is the largest women only friendship social network in the world. I use advertising on the site but also offer members the option to pay for upgrades so they don’t have to see or be a part of advertising. I know exactly how much money it costs to keep servers going, continue to pay for advertising, keep security going and a million other things that running a major website does.I also own several blogs and other websites that use affiliate marketing and advertising models. I’ve been doing this part of the internet for many many years.
If you seriously want to make money on the internet in some way, you can. Make a blog or website. Publish ads or charge a membership. Profit… This will take awhile and a fair amount of effort but you can “make money”. Probably even enough to go out to dinner a few times a month.
1) The Advertising Model….
I can’t quite get a legit answer from the website about their advertising model. One site says that it shares the total revenue the website makes each day with every user. One site implies you will get part of your advertising that your content/ users you invite content specifically makes. Whatever the faulty model is, the second the social media gurus and black hat scammy people get to the network 2 things will happen.
1) The site will be made into a spammy spam game. “Share the post and get all your friends to share it so we all make .00001 cents!” will be the norm. Users are currently reporting massive reshares, like and follow schemes and SHARE ALL THESE POSTS in buckets already.
2) If there are 100 members and they split 100$ of total revenue for the day, everyone gets 1$. When there are 100 million members there likely wont be 100 million dollars in revenue. You will be getting less than $1. Each user, each person invites will “weaken” the worth of the network causing eventually people to make fractions of a penny. FRACTIONS OF A PENNY on actions. Do you stop for a penny on the ground? 5 cents? Do you see this going any other way?
2) Is TSU a Ponzi Scheme/ Pyramid Scam / MLM Marketing Fraud?
I’ve seen people call Tsu a Ponzi scheme, Tsu a Pyramid scam, and Tsu a MLM marketing Fraud…
Ponzi schemes typically make new investors pay money. They pay that new money to “old investors”. So since Tsu is not asking for money, is not a Ponzi scheme. Although Ponzi has typically become a commonly used word for a scam of some type. Pyramid or MLM Scam is better towards what Tsu is than Ponzi scheme as shown with the FTC warning about such things… http://business.ftc.gov/…/inv08-bottom-line-about-multi-lev…
” If the money you make is based on your sales to the public, it may be a legitimate multilevel marketing plan. If the money you make is based on the number of people you recruit and your sales to them, it’s not. It’s a pyramid scheme. Pyramid schemes are illegal, and the vast majority of participants lose money.”
Your “sales” here are advertising dollars on your content and how much money you get paid seems to be directly related to how many people you help recruit in. To me that falls into the FTC guidline listed above, but since there isn’t a clear document about their payment plan its hard to say 100% for sure. Either way, play it safe and don’t play into it.
3) The Payout … When You Get Your Hard Earned Money….
According to the monetization terms on their website…. “As such, you will receive periodic deposits in your Tsū bank account, which are directly related to your usage of the Service.” The money goes into the Tsu bank, not yours.
You’d be lucky to make 5$ from their non published model. It will require a $100 pay(according to their FAQ) something you or the majority of people will never actually earn because you are making fractions of a cent each day. Or say 1 cent a day… ( a number I’ve seen a few people saying they have earned) It will take 10,000 days Or roughly 28 Years to earn $100. And that is if the payout doesnt really go down (which is should based on the other things I mentioned). This is a common tactic to hold funds till you reach a thresehold.. This will leave a nice pool of “ad dollars” sitting around for the company to pay off VC with because people can’t get to the magically upper end for payout. You MIGHT be able to make it by of course spamming the entire internet and everyone you know for the next 6 months. Work hard for that 50$ payout folks.
4)They will Run a Social Network on 10% of Revenue…
… Really… icon smile Is Tsu a Scam? 6 Things to Consider Servers, Bandwidth, Security, Staff members, Support teams….. on 1websites Is Tsu a Scam? 6 Things to Consider0% of revenue. This means if somehow it IS possible all of these will be lacking. No support, Hackers paradise since there is no security teams on it, and slow slow servers. As one person (Greg Crichton) on my google plus post about it pointed out, It doesn’t even have https/SSL Website security installed. That’s like doing banking on a non secure network!
Some of you seem to think your content can do better on its own. Launch a blog and do it. You’ll quickly see how expensive it is to “run a website” and “host/publish photos” and most importantly… “get advertising traffic”. icon smile Is Tsu a Scam? 6 Things to Consider What Tsu is telling you it can do on 10% of ads? Plus it owe a fair amount of money to the venture capital money it already took? Good luck on that model folks.
5) We Need to Take Back Our Content….
I’m also not exactly sure about these “I make content so i need to stop these companies from profiting from the content” type comments. I own 100% of my own websites and I do in fact make a living from that. If you want to use someone elses websites, you are uh… using them and can pay upfront to use them or you can pay by have ads served to you. This is the internet. You exchange your ‘content and information’ for ads.
I COULD place videos completely on my own blog instead of on YouTube, but how many people would see it? How much will it cost to have those videos streamed on my server time after time? You are also paying for the promotion your video receives as being a part of the 2nd largest search engine in the world.
6) But what does it hurt? How can you judge a Network that isn’t very old yet?
I think people don’t value their network as much as they should. Your social network is a precious thing you have worked hard to build through real life or online friendships. You develop trust and experience as an expert about things. Every single person has from the Social media gurus to the person who just updates their facebook page with photos of their kids. Their social network views them in some way. Social expert or Mom with kid photos. Do you want that opinion to include the person who invited them to an affiliate scheme that will likely mislead and rip people off.
There is currently NO delete button to remove your TSU account permanently. BIG RED FLAG. If i “own my content” and a bunch of other hoopla on the typo filled FAQ, why can’t i takeout my content at any time? This is common tactic with new websites because “user count” is more important than anything. They make it difficult/impossible for you to remove your account so they can report to their investors that “Numbers are Up!”. Its been mentioned you can email support and they will eventually remove it, this has not been proven, timeline, etc as of yet. There is no automated way to do it but they are “working on this basic core feature of any website”. If they really believed all the fluff they say in their FAQ about what’s yours is yours, the lack of delete is a big flag saying that wont hold true.
microsofttest Is Tsu a Scam? 6 Things to ConsiderBut lets forget all that for a minute…
People will do what they will, but spamming your precious network with invites to an unproven, heavily weighted against it Monetization Model is certainly not on MY to do list.
If nothing else wait a few months till a bunch of people get the “magical Bill Gates sending you 100$ for each person you forward it to” paychecks… If this magic network works against all the logical odds.. you have lots of friends and family members to pull into it for eternity. No rush required. Or are you people that desperate for money that you will play into this pipe dream with ZERO proof of it working?
HOW TO DELETE YOUR TSU ACCOUNT…
If you have already signed up… According to the terms of service You can fill out some kind of form to get your account removed/deleted at some point… But unfortunately your stuff will still be available for others who shared it – icon smile Is Tsu a Scam? 6 Things to Consider
“You can deactivate your Tsū account by logging into the Service and completing the form available here. If we terminate your access to the Service or you use the form detailed above to deactivate your account, your photos, comments, likes, friendships, followers, digital or real assets held by Evacuation Complete and all other data will no longer be accessible through your account (e.g., users will not be able to navigate to your username and view your photos), but those materials and data may persist and appear within the Service (e.g. if your Content has been reshared by others).”
If you signed up already I recommend removing as much as possible, attempting to find their delete form and stop sharing or putting anything you value into it… for the possibility of pennies.
UPDATE: BUT IT’S JUST FOR FUN…. I’ve had a few people mention they are “just using the network because its clean and fun and new”. If this is true, I believe you have the option to turn monetization off (thats been mentioned but I actually can not find any information about this in the FAQ, Terms Etc in any way. Can you find where to turn it off someone?) Till someone shows me how this is done, its required to be on the site. But the reality is fine folks, if you are spamming/begging invites to everyone you know… You do not fall into the “its fun” camp. You are kidding yourself and you are hoping to cash out on this….”Even if its a few bucks, thats more than facebook ever gave me!” type of idea…..There are many other social networks out there, that do not play around with these things, for you to “have fun on”. It’s nothing to me, but I hate seeing people get ripped off or mislead by unethical companies. I mostly made this post to link to people that asked me about it and “why are you not there”. Do what you will, but realize currently “taking a chance to check it out” can have repercussions that I’ve listed above because you can not delete your account at this time.
What about Legal Issues?
A final little update here. Google and YouTube have spent a ton of money to detect when you are using someone elses copywritten material. You are not allowed to monetize your YouTube Videos that include it. Violators are banned. This technology is funded by part of that “revenue” that these companies are making that Tsu is only going to be getting 10% of. They will have no such technology. More legal stuff brought up by another Google plus folk, Debashish Samaddar, who mentions the possible legal issues that are sure to happen.
“Tsu claims that if, and when, the original content creator issues a DMCA take down notice then Tsu will take the content down. But that takes time and within that time Tsu will have already made money. And distributed it.
1. Are they going to take the money back from whoever it was paid to?
2. Sometimes the content creator may not even know that their content is used, so a DMCA notice may never be issued and Tsu will continue to make money and distribute it. Potently unethical and illegal position.
3. For content that is distributed under CC-NC (Creative Commons, Non Commercial) sharing the content is not necessarily a commercial act so it preserves the CC license terms, but it circumvents the license by indirectly making money using that content. Grey area, but potentially illegal.”
Very Very valid points. And what about these lawsuits downstreams? LIke your friend you invited reshared illegal content… are they going to take back your penny too?
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